. . . Says Alliance for New Nigeria will bring forward dedicated, committed and purposeful leadership
Dr. Jay Osi Samuels is a Medical Doctor by training. He was born and bred in Ibadan, Oyo State. His parents are from Fuga Town in Estako Central Local Government Area of Edo State.
He had his primary education in Ibadan and secondary education in his home town in Fuga and bagged a Degree in Medicine and Surgery at the University of Ibadan. After graduation, he did his one year internship in Kaduna and his NYSC at the General Hospital in Lagos. He eventually went to Harvard for his postgraduate fellowship training and was in the Harvard system for five (5) years before returning to Nigeria in 2006.
Murya Magazine crew was at his office and had a chat with him to capture his thoughts on several issues about what makes his party, the Alliance for New Nigeria stand out political issues about the country as well as the plans his party has for the country. Excerpts.
You are a medical doctor and now you are into politics, I understand man by nature is a political animal, but how do you connect that?
For me and even till now, I still don’t consider myself a politician. My dabbling into politics came out of the passion or the desire to engender good governance in Nigeria. Before I go further, let me take a step back to explain the background to how I came to this level. Like you said, Man by nature is a political animal. I am an avid news reader. I listen to political news and pride myself as one who can analyse politics better than some professional political analyst, because I follow politics a lot. I follow governance and also follow business and many more. In that respect, I am not a novice to politics, but in terms of actual participation, I have not really been involved. In fact, I have been averse to anything that has to do with politics, but the love for country is actually the major motivating force that brought me this far.
A lot of us who are professionals do what we have to do because that is what we signed up for and whenever we leave our houses every day, we always thinking about how to improve the work place irrespective of the fact that we own the business or not. Similarly, we believe that there are people who think about the country in this manner, so much that their job every time they wake up is to think about how to better the country, how the people of Nigeria can best be served and the likes.
However, the type of politicians we have at the moment appeared not to care about good governance. They care about themselves, about what they would benefit and don’t even care about our own well-being. How can you explain a situation where, someone has been traveling Abuja - Jos route for 12 years and the condition of the road still remains the same if not worse? If Nigeria was a business and it was someone’s business to make that road better, he or she cannot be watching over the years as the road get worse and worse. If a State Governor, a Federal Minister, even the President himself passes through that route, even though they can chose to fly, how would they feel that year in year out the roads are getting worse? I am just using this as an example of the signs of failings of the government in our society.
As a development worker that I am, I find it difficult to shove off this kind of issues. People need to be held accountable. If we go to work every day and appraisals are conducted at the end of the year for workers to judge their performances then, we as citizens or owners of Nigeria should be able to appraise our leaders, because it appears that our rulers don’t care. They simply see government or government position as personal position to enrich themselves and turn the masses to beggars by giving those fond of hailing them peanuts. For somebody like me, who had worked with the government both at the international and local level and by the reason of the work I do, which gives me the opportunity to sit at the front roll and see things first hand, it equally put me in a position of seeing the decadence in governance and in Nigeria especially, how government has neglected its duties.
These are the things that moved me into deciding that if these people are not ready to provide proper governance, I have to come in, because in the past, I used to ask how one can join the government with the intention to serve the people and create a difference.
looking at the way politics is played in Nigeria, the easiest way would have been for somebody to say I have seen you, you are very good I would appoint you as my Special Assistant, but personally I don’t think I can be effective in that role, because as an S.A to somebody, you can only advice, you cannot make things happen. I have friends that have worked as S.As and those that are convinced about their potentials don’t spend three months in the job, they resign because the politicians who engaged them don’t mean what they often say.
The other aspect is to look at the political space, if you look at the people that have been participating in Nigerian politics in terms of voting or being voted for, they are less than 30% of the eligible voting population. In other words, a few people have been determining our collective destinies in Nigeria. What happened to the 70% of the population?
I am talking about people that are 18 and above, some don’t even register, some register but don’t even vote. If you look at the last election, we recorded about 67 million new registered voters in total, but out of that about 29 million or so actually voted. I think about 30 something million people were accredited to vote. About 2.5 million went home and didn’t return to cast their vote.
What we looked at, at Alliance for New Nigeria was why the 70% or more people not participating in the election process? And mind you, I was among those 70% because in the last election, I didn’t vote and there are millions of Nigerians like that. The question is why is this so?
There are many reasons attributable to this situation, but the simple reason is apathy. People have come to believe that politics is a dirty game and votes don’t count, because even if you voted, the outcome would be rigged in favour of someone else. For some of these reasons, people don’t want to waste their time.
On a technical level, however, there are some other things - although things appear to be changing now – it has to do with the issue where an electorate want to exercise his or her civic responsibility and would need to be accredited and wait for a long time to cast their vote. The people say they are busy and don’t have 7 or 8 hours to waste in the name of voting. In order to solve this issue, a new INEC regulation that allows for simultaneous accreditation and voting would encourage them greatly.
At Alliance for New Nigeria, our focus is to attract and galvanise people that have not been participating in the electoral process either by voting or those who are interested in standing for elective positions but are discouraged due to the nature of the nation’s political space.
Take me as an example, I am not a politician, I have never been a politician, I only want to be a politician now because I am interested in the wellbeing of Nigerians and I want to engender good governance in Nigeria. Therefore, as a mark of my commitment I am stepping forward. If I can step forward, you too should step forward.
You said you are not a politician but you had to join because you think there is a need to salvage the system from the present crop of politicians. How can you reconcile the fact that virtually every one of them joined politics with a similar mission: “I am interested in good governance” yet when you give them a chance, they mess up the process. What new things are you bringing on board?
Let me just say this: when I said I am not a politician, I meant it 100% and at Alliance for New Nigeria, we are technoticians. We coined that word for ourselves and I will give you the background behind it. We have seen in the Nigerian political space that technocrats have been appointed as minters and some elected as governors like the Governor of Gombe State, Alhaji Dankwambo. He is a technocrat, but a politician now.
I like to describe Nigeria as a dirty cup of water. If you have a glass full of unclean water and you add clean water into it, the water in that cup would still be dirty. That is what has happened over the years. When technoticians, the so called good people come into the political sphere, they get engulfed and a lot of them get frustrated and rather than for some of them to leave the arena, they join in doing the dirty things.
We have also seen a situation of a Babatunde Fashola, when he was the governor of Lagos State. He was technocrat who came on board though he had a politician behind him and he performed creditably well in his first term in office because he was clearly focused on the work as an technocrat- the way he wants it and he was doing it- but somebody was at the back end doing the politics for him. Nonetheless, we recognize that you cannot survive as a technocrat without understanding a bit of politics. That is why we coined the word, technoticians - we are mainly technocrat but for us to understand the world and survive in the political field, we need to understand a bit of politics. However, I need you to know that, we are more of technocrat and less of politics.
The question now is how do we intend to achieve our objectives? This is the way we want to go about it. The way Nigerian politics is currently played is a like a situation where an individual is entrusted with a particular position to truly serve the people, but are finding it difficult to locate a platform that would enable them to serve. For instance, I have people that came here and said they went to PDP and were told the space is full and were even told to go and cue for the slots in 2023 or whenever. This means, you need a godfather to get you in. That is what we want to do differently.
We are building a party where you don’t need or have a godfather, a party where any Nigerian can aspire to take up any position. The party is owned by the ordinary average Nigerian. Anyone can come up with his or her interest, what the party will do is to provide a level playing field for all aspirants. If at the end of the day, you are the best candidate, the party will support you.
In ANN what we want to do differently also is, as we go ahead mobilizing for support, the task we have set for ourselves is to convince Nigerians that this is the party! APC and PDP have failed. This is the party you should rely on.
If for instance, ANN wins the 2019 presidential elections, you don’t need anybody to tell you that it is the Nigerian people that voted the party in and we know that for us to remain in power we need to deliver to the people what we promised.
Otherwise, I have seen a situation where politicians who find themselves in several positions in the House of Reps, the Senate or even Governors who know they can win not because they had to do what people want, but because they only need to bribe the people and to do that they have to amass a lot of money. We don’t want to play that type of politics. Rather, we want a government that will be responsive to needs and aspirations of the people, provide the basic things and make this country better than it is currently.
What is your assessment of the state of the Nation generally?
The state of the nation is not encouraging. It is actually saddening that we have gotten to this level in times of governance. Just think of any metrics of measurement we are not making progress - the economy, security or employment - it is like the government has lost it from day one. They don’t even know how to manage or steer the affairs of the state. That is very worrisome and the outright lies, deceits and propaganda this government has churn out is far worse for our country than any other previous government. Nigeria had always had divisions in terms of ethnicity, but this government has acerbated it in every way, things are really bad for this country.
Don’t you think somebody will disagree with you, and say no it has never been this good? And at what point are we going to agree that something is wrong or are we going to continue like this?
Personally when it comes to the issue of state, especially anything that concerns Nigeria, we shouldn’t be bias. We shouldn’t be looking at things from the perspective of party affiliations. We should look at it as Nigerians. Is this what we want? We all have families, businesses and many other cherished values. There is a definition or acceptable level of what is good or bad, but when we try to use previous administrations as a basis for comparison I don’t think that is good for our country.
This government is in power because the last government failed, we cannot be using them as a standard of measurement in whatever form because what we are concerned about is Nigeria as a country and what will make her move forward. There maybe something that the government is doing but there is a lot more the government can do and not giving excuses or looking for a reason to say this is why you are not making progress, such things should be very obvious for people to see.
When do you think we can get to a level where we start calling black as black and white as white, will it start with Alliance for New Nigeria?
Definitely it will start with Alliance for New Nigeria. As I often tell people, one of the major things wrong with this country has to do with good governance. True, we have policies here and there, but what is really lacking in our governance system is the purposeful determination and committed leadership to implement the policies. None of our leaders have been able to provide selfless service, because people often come into government based on god-fatherism and through other ugly means. And the moment they get there, they cater to special interest by making subjective decisions that have no bearings on our collective destiny.
One of the things that Alliance for New Nigeria will bring forward is dedicated, committed and purposeful leadership where decisions will be made, policies implemented based on the convention and the believe that the Nigeria people are superior to any individual.
How do you think we can step out of this quagmire, considering the fact that, the moment your party the ANN gets to the level of a mega party like the PDP or APC it could easily start condoling godfathering and other vile acts?
We hope not! That is why we are putting mechanism in place to checkmate all of the ugly factors I outlined above, but like I said before even though I may just be repeating myself now, the major reasons is because the masses are not taken into the equation in the governance style of this country.
Let me give you an example, in the US, President Trump is there today, he knows that some people or Americans put him there and in putting him there, they have certain expectations from him and whether you like Trump or not, whether you like his style or not, he has a solid base of supporters and at every point in time his decisions is guided by what those people want, because he knows that once he loses his support base, he is gone.
In fact, he is actually fighting the god-fathers. They do not call them god-fathers there, they call them the establishments. He is fighting the establishment and that is what we want in Nigeria. We don’t want a situation where we will be doing things to satisfy a few individuals who have been holding this country by the jugular.
For once, let’s have a party that is responsive to the yearnings and aspirations of ordinary Nigerians. And that is what we are bringing on board, because the way we are going to run the government is that our campaign will start from day one after the election to make sure that all the deliverables we promised would be visible even to a blind man in two years. People should be able to see and feel the difference that there is a new government in town. We don’t have any reason why we are still crawling like a baby in Nigeria.
How do you intend to break into the market and take a share of the brand equity of your party or the people knowing about the existence of your party; how do you intend to occupy their minds?
We are already occupying their minds because we are going daily by leaps and bounds. However, I know we still have a lot of works to do. Mind you when we started off, we were not even planning to factor so much in 2019. We didn’t come together because we wanted to participate in 2019 elections or win in 2019. We are more of a long term focused ideology based organization, but currently, because of the external pressures on us resulting from the fact that a lot of Nigerians see this party as the saviour of this country, many things are happening even beyond our imagination.
In fact, people have even come to advise us to focus on one small area, because apart from the PDP most other parties started as regional parties. We can say the APC is a national party, but it is still having a regional coloration. Those offering their advice are saying we should pick an area of influence and just focus on a state and win the governorship seat, but we don’t have that control because as we speak now, we have members in every state of the federation. There’re people that went to register on their own and very time I check for updates on my Facebook page, people are seeking to contact us. This thing is organic, even though we still have specific plans which we started implementing to reach out to the kind of people that we are targeting.
We don’t even see APC and PDP as competitors, because we are discounting the 25 million votes or so recorded in the last presidential election and creating a new set of voters from the 70% of Nigerians that have never voted before. If we can get them on board and they believe in our message after they identify with us, our target is to register about 10 million members by October this year. Though, we hope to do more than that, but that is a base line to measure our performance.
We have a lot of things planned and we are gradually implementing them even though we still needs a lot of funds to achieve our aim, but this is very easily do able. When people say time is short, it is not that we are focused on 2019, but because of the expectation of the people, we believe that even though it might look like a short period, in politics one year or nine months is a long time.
So far do you have any presidential aspirants?
We have several aspirants that have been coming to us but one that is publicly known right now Fela Durotye, he joined us officially even though he has been talking to us since September last year but he officially joined the party on the 22nd of February this year.
I understand he is a motivational speaker?
Yes! He is actually well-known in the corporate world as a motivational speaker, but aside that and because people know of his aspiration that he wants to contest for president, some people are mistaken him to be our candidate. He is not actually our candidate, he is an aspirant, and we have several aspirants that have indicated interest, not just for the presidency even at governorship and other levels.
The issue of political ideology is missing totally from the Nigerian space, is ANN going to be the same in terms of the manifestoes and ideologies compared to other parties in Nigeria?
Alliance for New Nigeria as a party is different. We are professionals. The party is built on the bedrock of professionalism, but that is not to say that all of us are Doctors, Nurses, Engineers, lawyers or whatever. Anybody who has a profession is a professional even a carpenter is a professional in that sense, but our ideology is based on the fact that we are professionals who want to offer ourselves for public service, but the underlining thing is that, we believe in Nigeria. Ideology has gone beyond socialism, capitalism and the like, the major reason that makes us come forward is because we believe in Nigeria. And this country has to be made great! This country has to be made to occupy her rightful place in the community of nations. That is our ideology.
We take deliberate step to increase support for the Agricultural Sector under our Strategic Funding Framework - Abba A. Bello
. . . Says the Nigerian Banking Industry is increasingly becoming integrated with the global financial system
Abba Bello has 26 years’ experience in banking, where he has held senior management positions in corporate banking, regional and commercial banking, and public sector banking in more than a decade. Abba also had a brief stint in auditing.
Abba is a graduate of accounting from Ahmadu Bello University, Zaria. He also holds a post-graduate degree in Business Administration from University of Liverpool, United Kingdom.
Until his appointment as Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer of Nigerian Export-Import Bank in April 2017, he was Executive Director, Unity Bank Plc., in charge of Corporate Banking, Agriculture and North Directorate.
Abba has cognate experience in international banking. He was the pioneer Managing Director/CEO of United Bank for Africa Plc.’s subsidiaries in the Republic of Chad and Zambia for several years.
Abba has attended several courses in Nigeria and abroad in leadership, advanced management, and executive management. He is a member of Chartered Institute of Bankers Nigeria, and a Fellow, Institute of Credit Administration.
In this interview with Murya Magazine, Mr Abba A Bello speaks on the Nigerian economy as well as other financial developmental issues. Excerpts.
As an industry player who has been in the financial sector for decades, how would you assess the Nigerian economy with particular reference to import and export?
Nigeria is an import-dependent economy, while exports are largely dominated by oil and gas, accounting for about 95% of total exports. This explains why our terms of trade deteriorate anytime the global oil price declines. Although in recent times, there appears to be some relief in the area of food imports owing to the success of the Anchor Borrower Programme and increase in production of rice, a lot still needs to be done to improve our trade balance. Currently, over 50% of our imports are manufactured goods, while raw materials and agricultural imports account for 12% and 10%, respectively. There is the need for Nigeria to enhance local capacity to boost production and value addition, not only for import substitution but also for exports.
What does the Nigeria Export-Import Bank exist for and what is the mode of operation of the bank?
Export Credit Agency, NEXIM’s mandate essentially promotes the diversification of the Nigerian economy and contributes to the growth and development of the non-oil export sector by providing credit in local/foreign currency, export credit guarantee and export credit insurance, as well as trade information and export advisory services. The Bank also complements in attracting development capital and concessionary credits to the export sector from other EXIM Banks as well as Bilateral/Multilateral financial institution. Through these, the Bank contributes to jobs creation and foreign exchange earnings for the country.
The Bank also plays a trade facilitation role through various strategic initiatives. Some of these initiatives include the Sea-Link Project, aimed at addressing the transport and logistics problem inhibiting regional trade through the establishment a regional shipping company that will operate within the West and Central African Region. NEXIM is also collaborating with the Borderless Alliance, which is a regional advocacy platform that seeks to remove non-tariff barriers and other impediments to intra-regional trade. We are also the national guarantor under the Interstate Road Transit Scheme (ISRT), which is a programme designed to facilitate the smooth operation of the ECOWAS Trade Liberalisation Scheme (ETLS).
The vision statement on your website reads to be the leading Export Development Bank in Africa. Has the bank lived up to expectations in this regards?
Over the last five years, inadequate capitalisation and the paucity of funds have been a limiting factor. However, these challenges are now being addressed with the recent introduction of the N500 billion Non-Oil Export Stimulation Facility (NESF) and the N50billion Export Development Fund (EDF) by the Central Bank of Nigeria. We are also working towards leveraging our Balance Sheet through other EXIM Bank and Bilateral/Multilateral Financial Institutions to enable us to build a solid financial base to adequately support the Nigerian non-oil export sector.
The Central Bank of Nigeria once established N500 billion Export Stimulation fund (ESF) and a N50 billion Export Rediscounting and Re-Financing Facility (RRF) to be managed by NEXIM Bank. Is the management of these funds still on course?
As you may be aware, the N500billion ESF was re-launched in December 2017 with some modifications, which now admits NEXIM as a Participating Financial Institution, implying that applicants can now approach NEXIM directly and not necessarily through another Bank as was the case. Also, the CBN launched a new N50 billion Export Development Fund (EDF), which is to be deployed towards funding the Regional/State Export Development Initiative being implemented by NEXIM. Under the EDF, at least N1billion has been earmarked for each state of the federation to promote economic diversification and regional development, based on the economic endowments in the state.
The Bank has also earmarked about N3billion from the Export Development Fund to support industries that are major employers of women and youth under a special economic empowerment scheme for the vulnerable groups as part of NEXIM’s contribution towards meeting the targets of the Sustainable Development Goals. This fund will be provided at a highly concessionary rate and the key objective will be the promotion of women and youth empowerment.
I wish to confirm that these funding schemes have become operational and NEXIM is already processing applications under the schemes.
One of the statutory functions of NEXIM Bank is the diversification of the economy through the provision of Finance, Risk Bearing and Advisory Services in line with government trade Policy. What does it take to be eligible for these services?
Beneficiaries of NEXIM’s facilities must be export-oriented projects operating in Nigeria, who are duly registered as Limited Liability Company or a cooperative society. Usually, applicants are required to produce a viable and bankable proposal and provide evidence of an export market.
The Buhari administration is making efforts towards building a robust economy that would be less dependent on earnings from oil. What strategies is NEXIM putting in place to complement the President's effort?
Yes, as you rightly observed government is implementing various economic policies to diversify the economy and promote sustainable and inclusive growth in the country. Such policies include the Economic Recovery and Growth Plan (ERGP), the Agriculture Promotion Policy (APP), the Mining Industry Roadmap (MIR) and the Nigerian Industrial Revolution Master Plan (NIRP).
In this regard and as part of its contribution, NEXIM has established a Strategic Funding Intervention Framework, which seeks to address the key challenges in the non-oil export sector under 5 strategic pillars. This includes in Pillar One, Products and Market Diversification, where the Bank seeks to enhance value addition in the Agriculture sector, in addition to promoting services exports, particularly in the area of the Creative Economy, Business Process Outsourcing and Professional Services.
The second pillar deals with Regional Industrialisation and Export Promotion, which includes deliberate funding intervention programmes in restive areas such as the Niger-Delta and the North East Region to crowd-in investments towards jobs creation and enhancing economic growth.
Our third Pillar deals with Bridging Export Facilitating Infrastructure where we shall be catalysing investments in assaying and laboratory infrastructure, in addition to developing logistics and transport infrastructure through the Sealink Project.
The fourth Pillar is about Improving Export Handling and Packaging, where we shall be promoting investments in packaging materials such as jute bags to improve export competitiveness and reduce incidents of rejection. The fifth and last Pillar deals with Broadening the scope of export financing, which involves developing new financing instruments such as Factoring to improve access to funding by the Small & Medium Enterprises. We shall also be establishing dedicated funds for the purpose of providing investment guarantees and other risk-mitigating instruments.
As a professional with cognate experience in international banking, how would you assess the Nigerian banking industry with regards to international best practices?
The Nigerian Banking Industry has actually recorded significant progress over the last 10 years and is increasingly becoming integrated with the global financial system. As you are aware, many Nigerian Banks now have branches in many African countries and indeed Europe and other parts of the world, while some international Banks have been operating in the country over the past three decades. This has led to significant knowledge and skills transfer.
Agriculture is the most viable sector capable of standing head to head with the oil sector in terms of revenue generation considering the fact that revenue generation from oil often fluctuates. What is your Bank doing to support the growth of the agricultural sector?
Nigeria indeed has a significant Agricultural endowment so much so that we are the leading producers of major commodities in the world as published by the Food and Agricultural Organisation. Nonetheless, agricultural production in Nigeria is still largely subsistent and rain fed such that the productivity is still quite low, with low yield per hectare when compared to other parts of the world. Hence in order for Nigeria to be globally competitive, there is the need for a transition into large-scale mechanised agriculture and adoption of modern technics to boost productivity and improve yield per hectare. Also given the current composition of non-oil exports where primary agricultural commodities contribute over 50%, there is the need to develop local capacity for value addition to improve export competitiveness and boost export revenues.
It is for these reasons that the Bank has taken a deliberate step to increase support to the sector under pillar one of our Strategic Funding Framework as earlier mentioned. Note that I used the word increase because indeed the Agriculture Sector has always been one of our target sectors under the MASS Agenda, which defines NEXIM’s focus sectors to include Manufacturing, Agriculture, Solid Minerals and Services.
Finally, what do you have to say to members of the public seeking to know more about the operations of NEXIM Bank?
NEXIM’s is quite ready to support export business in Nigeria and our current drive is to build a solid institution that will have the financial muscle to intervene significantly in the non-oil export sector, where opportunities actually abound. To further increase our reach and spread, we are restructuring our operations along regional lines, hence the Bank has a branch in every region of the country. Ultimately, we intend to have at least one branch in every state to enable us to bring development to all parts of the country.
Taking Loan in Itself Is Not a Bad Thing, It Becomes Bad When You Don’t Want To Pay Back –Ahmed Lawan Kuru
…Says it is impossible to use AMCON as a witch-hunting tool
Ahmed Lawan Kuru is a career banker with professional experience spanning over three decades across Investment Banking, Risk Management, Operations, Human Capital Management and Marketing amongst others. Prior to his appointment as the Managing Director/Chief Executive Officer, Asset Management Corporation of Nigeria (AMCON) by the Presidency on August of 2015, Kuru served as the Managing Director/CEO of erstwhile Enterprise Bank Limited. His ingenuity at turning the then beleaguered bank around and returning it to profitability earned him the famous name in the financial sector as the turn-around-agent.
Confronted with a herculean task at AMCON whose total debt obligation of N4.6 trillion represents 75 per cent of the 2016 national budget; 26 per cent of the 2016 total national debt, and 5 per cent of the country’s nominal gross domestic product in 2016; Kuru who is driven by result hit the ground running. Expectedly some far-reaching changes he introduced at the Corporation increased the tempo of recoveries and strategically refocused AMCON on value enhanced exit of its portfolios, which encompasses continued negotiations and resolution of loans through cash recoveries, asset forfeitures via negotiation or enforcement; capital restructuring for short to mid-term exits as well as Joint Venture (JV) arrangements for asset operations and land development.
His creative leadership methodology at the government agency has led to the repositioning of AMCON’s debt recovery approach as he has strengthened the legal and credit restructuring units to collaborate and perform more efficiently with asset tracing engagements to enable AMCON to recover much more. As a result of this, AMCON was able to successfully divest 100 per cent of its equity holding in Keystone Bank Limited, the last of the bridge banks in the book of AMCON. The Corporation also saved Arik Airlines (the largest local carrier) and Aero Contractors (the oldest carrier) from shutting down operations. Irrespective of the economic challenges of last year when the country experienced a recession, AMCON still recovered over N134billion in 2016 alone.
Under his leadership, the Corporation is exploring the creation of robust Real Estate Investment Trust Scheme (REITS) that would provide a market-driven exit for AMCON’s real estate assets as well as additional capital market instruments for institutional investors such as the Pension Fund Administrators (PFAs) and other interested parties. AMCON is engaging with financial advisers, private equity and mezzanine Funds as potential partners for joint venture and other capital restructuring arrangements.
Before Kuru arrived AMCON, he previously served as Managing Director/CEO of erstwhile Enterprise Bank Limited; Executive Vice Chairman, Emeritus Capital Limited; Executive Director of the old Bank PHB Plc., and held very senior management roles at Habib Bank of Nigeria. Mr. Kuru attended the prestigious Ahmadu Bello University (ABU), Zaria where he obtained degrees in Business Administration as well as MBA. He has attended various international programmes including IMB, Switzerland, the London Business School, Columbia Business School, New York, as well as Harvard Business School.
The dedicated corporate player has served on the Board of over 30 organisations and is currently playing key roles in a number of them. He is an outstanding and experienced corporate executive with proven leadership attributes; a community builder, motivational speaker and a mentor. Kuru is also a Fellow of both the Chartered Institute of Credit Administration, the Chartered Institute of Bankers Nigeria (CIBN) and Institute of Directors (IoD), just to mention a few.
The Murya Magazine crew had an exclusive interview session with him and captures his thoughts on a number of issues about AMCON and the role the Corporation is playing in stabilising the Nigerian economy. Excerpts.
For the benefit of the general public, we want you to let us in on what the Asset Management Corporation of Nigeria (AMCON) exists for?
The Asset Management Corporation of Nigeria (AMCON) is an intervention agency and a child of necessity, which came about as a result of the 2008/2009 financial crisis. It was set up in Nigeria to address the financial crisis at that time. It was a vehicle that was created to provide stability and liquidity to financial institutions.
What role does AMCON play in stabilising the Nigerians economy?
During the time of the financial crisis, AMCON purchased loans from about 22 financial institutions and freed the banks from the burden of managing those bad debts and at the same time find a way to restructure the loans and provide additional liquidity to the financial institutions to enable them continue the business of lending to jumpstart the economy.
What AMCON did at that time was to halt the financial crisis, provide liquidity to help the banks, provide support for some of the obligors or company because some of them still needed some help and in the process, we saved depositors money to the tune of N3 trillion, saved jobs in excess of 15,000 and the likes. These are things not known ordinary Nigerians but if AMCON had not intervened quite a lot of those banks would have gone under and if that had happened, the public would have seen the negative effect of that all over the place.
Taking over people's assets irrespective of the fact that it is backed by the law can be quite tasking considering the emotions and the hard feelings that come with doing the job. How do you strike a balance between professionalism and the hard feelings that come with doing the job?
Our primary job is recovery. We purchased loans from financial institutions, assist companies that genuinely need some help. But most importantly, we are pursuing more than 80% of our obligors to pay their debts. Our people have a bad culture of debts repayment. That is why if you lend money to a friend for instance, and he or she promised to pay back after two weeks, at the end of the second week if you are not careful, you will become his or her enemy. They would start frowning faces because they don’t want to pay back. Now, relate this scenario to the billions of naira some people have collected without the intention of paying back.
Suddenly, an institution comes and say based on the creation of the law as approved by the Executive, the loans taken from commercial banks must be paid. What this means is that the only way to get back the money that some of those businesses took is through the collateral they pledged before taken the loan. In most cases, we found that some of these collaterals are as common as the houses the obligors reside in and we have no option than to take them, recover the money and pay back the debt. It is not a pleasant thing. Payment of a debt is not generally a pleasant thing unless your business is buoyant enough otherwise you wouldn’t want to pay voluntarily. Any debt you have to compel a person to pay is not a pleasant one.
Big guys take loans – the Dangote Group, the BUA Group, the Oando Group, the Shell and Chevron of this world - all these multinationals take loans to run their operations, but you don’t compel them to pay back such loans. They pay because there is a structure and they are always happy to pay because they know that is part of the process. But the moment an institution is put in a place to go and enforce the collection of debts then that is a big challenge. Otherwise, taking a loan in itself is not a bad thing. It becomes bad when you don’t want to pay back and this creates a problem when somebody is entrusted to collect it from you.
The fact that somebody is put in charge of collecting the money you borrowed, which you are unwilling to pay creates tension. Fortunately, our law envisaged that kind of situation and it gave us the powers and the guidelines on how we should go about recovering monies. AMCON has not got itself involved in any kind of illegality, as far as recovering monies are concerned, since creation. People may have issues with what we do in terms of how we collect our money, but nobody can tell you that we collect it illegally, because we follow the law and laid down procedures.
How does the Asset Management Corporation of Nigeria and agencies like the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission complement each other’s statutory functions?
As I said earlier, taking a loan in itself is not a bad thing. It is a commercial transaction. No economy can grow without a structure where people can access credit. However, not paying and not paying it on time or taking it through a fraudulent process creates a challenge. Sometimes in a commercial transaction, you do have a little criminal activity involved. That is where the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission comes in.
The EFCC helps greatly because the only thing we at AMCON can do particularly with our relationship with the obligors or banks is just to write. If we want a bank to give us documents relating to certain candidates, we can only write. The bank can decide not to give but with the support of sister agency like the EFCC, the banks are compelled to release such documents. The EFCC is an economic crime commission while AMCON is an economic support agency so we collaborate on the recovery effort.
The Asset Management Corporation of Nigeria (AMCON) often receive commendations and condemnations to the point that it is alleged that the Corporation is being used as a tool, what is your take on this?
First of all, there are two sides to this question. Number one somebody commending you and another person not commending you. I think this is quite a normal situation, because even in your house your wife could sometimes commend you and sometimes criticise you. What I am saying, in essence, is that even in normal situation you would find people who will commend and others who will condemn you. However, what one should always do is to be guided by the law and by one’s conscience.
Now when they say a tool, the question is a tool for what? A tool in this context means that somebody creates a situation where he sets you up in order to hurt you. Now even if that is the case, did anybody asked you to borrow the money in the first place? Who asked you not to pay back the loan? Who asked you to run away? I can’t understand how AMCON can be used as a tool to pursue the recovery of a loan…
…They alleged that some people are being pursued while others are left alone?
That is not possible, but even if some people are being pursued and others left alone, the question is did the people being pursed take the loans? And did they default? That should be the issue. If I have gone to pursue somebody who has not taken loan or who has not refused to pay his loan then you can say I am a tool but if you have taken a loan and it was sold to me by a commercial bank and I have your records in my book and you don’t want to pay me; I have gone to the court and the court gave me an order to enforce the collection and you are saying I am a tool? The tool must be a very effective tool.
What categories of assets do you have in your kitty and what is their value?
We have all categories of assets. As I said earlier, we have bought almost 13,000 loans covering all aspects of the economy. We have all manner of assets in our books that cover all the strata of the economy. The value, however, differs from sector to sector, but generally speaking, the total value of the asset we have at the moment is not less than N2 trillion. It is, however, important to know that the value of an asset is totally different from the realisable value. For instance, if you want to value my office building today you can get value for it at N1.4 billion. But if you want to sell it, you may likely get somebody to give you N600 million. So the value of an asset is usually different from the realisable value.
What is asset valuation and why is overvaluation of asset hampering AMCON's ability to sell the assets it took over and what is the Corporation doing about it?
Of course, asset valuation is a simple process of establishing the value of an asset. If you have this building for instance and you want to know what it is worth in the market, there are professionals (Valuers) that would look at it and tell you the value. In doing this work, we bought what is called Eligible Bank Assets (EBAs) or loans from commercial banks and those loans are backed by collaterals commonly called securities. When you are taking over these loans the collateral must have a value. If the loan you take from a bank, for instance, is worth N10 million, what is the value of the collateral the bank is holding? If the collateral on your house is worth N20 billion then I can take your loan of N10 million naira, but if your house is worth N5 million and you have a loan of N10 million because of the accumulation of interest, you obviously know that I can’t pay you more than the value of your property. So, valuation is imperative to everything we do.
There are some cases where obligors seek to forfeit an asset to us due to lack liquidity. We don’t just take the asset and close the deal. We have to determine the value of the asset viz-a-viz his or her loan. Maybe the loan is N10 million and they say it is N12 million naira. In that case, we need a valuer to ascertain the real value and that is where the problem lies.
If you get a professional valuer to value this building today, I can assure you he would tell you it is somewhere around N1.2 or N1.3 billion. Realistically, however, if you want to sell it you will be lucky to get N700 million on the property. If a valuer values this property for me at N1.2 billion and your loan is N1.2 billion and I exchange it for your loan and I am only able to get N800 million there would be a shortfall of N400 million. The question now is who is going to pay for that shortfall?
This is one leg of what we are saying in AMCON. Another leg of it is that you pay valuers on the basis of the commission of the value they come up with. So once you asked a valuer to value this house even if it is N1.4 billion naira some of them would come up with value of N2billion naira because you would give him or her 5% of the so-called N2 billion. By the time you want to sell the house, you realise it is actually worth N800 million. That means you have a N1.2 billion deficit. Who will account for that?
At AMCON, we are saying the value of assets forfeited to us must reflect the real market situation because we are exchanging it for cash. If you are supposed to give me N10, I expect you to give me something that can fetch N10 naira when I take it to the market. If you give me soothing you claim is worth N15 and I can’t sell it for N10 the worth means nothing to me. What is important to me is the value I will get if I take it to the market. That is why we always have this conflict between us and the obligors and between us and the valuers. Asset valuation would continue to be a subjective thing and we always tell them that our valuation criterion is on the basis of exchange for cash. Funny enough, some valuers can value a house for N1.4 billion. If you then give them the job of selling the house for you they would say you can’t get it at that price because the market is not conducive. Meanwhile, he was the one that valued it at N1.4 billion. In any case, we try to work with them professionally to see how to eliminate all these conflicts.
Take us through the process of disposing of assets and how an asset can be successfully disposed of?
The Central Bank of Nigeria has an approved procedure guiding our practice. If we have any assets to sell, for instance, we must first advertise it several times in national dailies. Once this is done, we open it publicly and invite bidders to come at an appointed date and time. The bidding process is transparent and we sell to the highest bidder.
We usually have what we call reserved price. If you are my friend and you want to buy this house and I tell you that the reserved price is N1billion and you decide to bid N1.1 billion and another person who of course has no access to the reserved price but out of his or her own wisdom decided to bid for N1.2 billion there is nothing I can do to help you. Even if you know of the reserved price, there is little anybody can do to help you, because the process is opened and competitive. When we fail to get a buyer through this process we send our marketers out to look for buyers anywhere they can find them.
Aside from assets take over and disposal what else does AMCON do?
Assets take over and disposal is not the only thing we do. In fact, taking over assets is the result. AMCON is an intervention fund created to provide liquidity to financial institutions by purchasing some of the hard-core and non-performing loans. There are instances, where some of the businesses paid back their loans without AMCON going through the trouble of taking and selling their assets. Selling of asset is the last resort. It is only resorted to when an obligor failed to honour his or her obligation. AMCON is just an intervention agency and not an asset grabbing and selling agency.
What other things do you think the public ought to know about the Asset Management Corporation of Nigeria (AMCON) that would help prevent misconception of the work you do?
I want obligors that are fond of running away to know that we are here to help and partner with them. If you have an account in AMCON, please come and talk to us. We don’t believe that there is somebody who has 10, 20 or N30 billion to put on the table. Some of our obligors have outstanding that amounts to 80, 90 and N100 billion. We don’t believe they have that kind of money to give at once, but it is important they come and talk to us so that we can have a resolution restructuring understanding on how we can help them resolve the debt.
Having said that however, it is also important to note that the law is behind us and if you don’t talk to us, we would take over any of the underlining assets and recover our money. Our appeal is that people should come and honour, accept, respect and commit to their obligations. They should tell us what their cash flow can do, tell us how AMCON can help and let us work together to find out how to support their businesses. Our primary objective is to recover those monies in whichever way and we believe that the best way is to communicate, because if we don’t communicate with you the law establishing AMCON allows us to take over your assets without giving you notice.